Maoism Vs Trotskyism: heiss93 [+-] Soviet cogitations: 831 Defected to the U.S.S.R.: Mon 28 Jan 2008, 19:10 Ideology: Marxism-Leninism Komsomol. Secondly. inexactness? In what did this general foundation consist? There are already explanations of MLism in this thread, so I'll do Trotskyism. Lenin proposed the seizure of power before October 25th for two reasons. Stalinism (or Marxist-Leninism) and Trotskyism are both forms of Leninism, as they draw on the experiences of the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution. We have, as a matter of fact, done so until recently, for instance, by paying no attention to the mistakes of John Reed and not troubling to correct them. We have already spoken of the legends about the Party and about Lenin, which Comrade Trotsky and his followers have disseminated. Lenin vs Stalin: Their Showdown Over the Birth of the USSR Even after suffering a stroke, Lenin fought Stalin from the isolation of his bed. For Anarchists and some extremely foresighted observers, the "Kronstadt moment" actually was the Kronstadt uprising in 1921--when Trotsky suppressed the Red Sailors and Lenin restored capitalism. Comrade Trotsky deals with this side of the question also in his book. Yes, it is true, Comrade Trotsky really fought bravely in October. The Period of Re-Orientation of the Party (March-April). Wherein lies the danger of the new Trotskyism? The fight of the proletariat has its trials, its defeats. Follow. Trotskyism, a Marxist ideology based on the theory of permanent revolution first expounded by Leon Trotsky (1879–1940), one of the leading theoreticians of the Russian Bolshevik Party and a leader in the Russian Revolution. This must also explain the apparent defensive character of the speeches, articles and slogans of this period, which none the less, in their intrinsic value, bore a thoroughly offensive character. As a noun socialism is any of various economic and political philosophies that support social equality, collective decision-making, distribution of income based on contribution and public ownership of productive capital and natural resources, as advocated by socialists. Let us look at these resolutions. These rumours are supported in an increased degree by the latest literary enterprise of Comrade Trotsky. By the fact that Comrade Trotsky systematically neglects to mention the Party, the C.C. Trotskyism is the political ideology and branch of Marxism developed by Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky.Trotsky self-identified as an orthodox Marxist and Bolshevik–Leninist.He supported founding a vanguard party of the proletariat, proletarian internationalism and a dictatorship of the proletariat based on working class self-emancipation and mass democracy. I know no current in the Party which could be compared with Trotskyism in its discrediting of the leaders of Leninism or of the central institutions of the Party. The new Trotskyism does not make up its mind to fight openly against Leninism, it prefers to work under the general flag of Leninism and protects itself under the slogan of the interpretation, the improvement of Leninism. Lenin realised that because in Russia the working class was so small then the peasants also had to be part of the socialist revolution. with a warning against supporting Kerensky. Or did the NEP and Lenin's last writings offer it a different departure? under the flag of Leninism so that the process of being dragged over may be “as painless as possible.”. . He regards it as a theory which contains in itself “antirevolutionary” features. It's all just three slightly varying shades of evil. The Party knows Lenin as an exemplary comrade who did not care to answer questions on his own responsibility, impulsively, without the leading committee, without carefully feeling his way, and after cautions examination. A QAnon congressperson has already drafted articles of impeachment against Joe Biden. I will not enter into detail as to these theses, as they are known to everyone. did not accept his resignation. For this reason Comrade Trotsky’s long dissertations on the significance of the legality of the Soviets are certainly quite superfluous. In the face of changing circumstances and accumulated knowledge/experience to merely stay with what what thought to be correct in the past turn what should be a science into a dead dogma. As for the third characteristic of Trotskyism (the mistrust of the Bolshevik leaders) it, of course, had to retire into the background in view of the obvious breakdown of the first two characteristics. The question of the nature of the Party. Please credit “Marxists Internet Archive” as your source. Trotskyism now steps forward with the object of dethroning Bolshevism and undermining its principles. Leninism is an indivisible theory, which arose in the year 1903, has experienced three revolutions and now marches forward as the war banner of the world’s proletariat. [FULL TEXT 560 WORDS] Fri 04 Apr 2008, 22:36 Could someone please explain to me the main differences between the following aspects of Maoist and Trotkyist Theory that seem somewhat similar to me 1. Link to post Share on other sites. There were. Logged: smoltchanov Concerned Citizen Posts: 6,617. resolved by a majority of 10 against 2 votes to proceed immediately with the practical work for the organisation of the insurrection. Marxism-Leninism vs. Trotskyism… These Minutes immediately destroy several legends. How do you think about the answers? Comrade Trotsky comes off no better when he “expounds” the attitude of the C.C. In the interest of truth, comrades, I must declare that this version is absolutely contrary to the truth. Comrades, I will confine myself to unmasking a few legends which have been spread by Comrade Trotsky and others of the same opinion as to the October revolution, the part played by Comrade Trotsky in the revolution, as to the Party and the preparations for October, etc. on October 10th is as follows: “The C.C. This, of course, does not mean that the October revolution did not have its instigator and leader. This is the essence of Comrade Trotsky’s most recent literary attacks. 1. of the revolutionary military committee of the Petrograd Soviet; (e) the resolution of the Petrograd garrison regarding the system of the commissioners of the revolutionary military committee; (f) the formation of armed Bolshevist fighting forces and the arrest of members of the “Provisional Government”; (g) the seizure of power by the revolutionary military committee of the Petrograd Soviet and the formation of the Soviet of the People’s Commissioners by the Second Soviet Congress. Lenin and Trotsky created a government structure that Marx had never outlined, they just created it from necessity. The warning proved prophetic. Communism can only come from workers being organized through a vanguard "Communist Party". A re-orientation was necessary. Reprisals against the opposition and the danger of a split are spoken of. Hence the theory of the Trotskians as to the division of Leninism into two parts: the pre-war Leninism, the “old, worthless” Leninism with its idea of a dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry, and the new post-war Leninism of October, which they intend to adapt to the demands of Trotskyism. Only the history of Bolshevism in the whole period of its existence can satisfactorily explain how it could, under the most difficult conditions, work out and preserve the iron discipline which is necessary for the victory of the proletariat.” (See Lenin “Infantile Sickness.”) Bolshevism and Leninism are essentically one. For this Comrade Trotsky’s literary attacks strain the question of Trotskyism to breaking point. Listen to Comrade Trotsky: “Without serious and experienced military leaders, we shall not emerge from this chaos,” said I to Vladimir Ilyitch, every time that I visited the staff. 11 thoughts on “ Mature Leninism-Trotskyism vs Stalinist sophistry ” Chris Barratt says: 11/02/2018 at 13:51. The new Trotskyism proceeds more cautiously. Why did Comrade Lenzner have to add, to the many legends about our revolution, another legend about “the anticipation” of Lenin’s famous “Letters from Afar,” by the American letters of Comrade Trotsky? It is hardly necessary to prove that all these and similar “Arabian Nights” do not correspond to the facts, that nothing of the sort happened or could have happened at the meeting of the C.C. pronounced against the insurrection. Comrade Trotsky is wrong when he declares that in the Kornilov days, some of the heads of the Party showed a tendency to form a block with the social patriots in order to support the Provisional Government. Small groups which emphasise building among students are dismissed with a sneer. In Comrade Trotsky’s opinion, the chief lesson of the proletarian revolution of October is “not to run off the rails.” This is wrong, for the assertion of Comrade Trotsky contains only a small part of the truth as to the lessons of the revolution. They destroy the legend that a majority of the C.C. i.e., the “inaugurator,” the “central figure,” the “only leader” of the insurrection, Comrade Trotsky, was not elected a member of the practical central committee, whose duty it was to direct the insurrection. Instead of this there was a “contact commission.”. I am far from denying the important part played by Comrade Trotsky in the civil war. The crisis at the front and the disintegration behind the front did their work in that they strengthened the extreme wings and wedged in the social compromisers and social patriots on both sides. states that “the chief weapon of the proletarian revolution is the Party,” that “without the Party, beyond the Party, independently of the Party, by a substitution of the Party, the proletarian revolution cannot win,” from which argument Allah himself could not understand how our revolution could have been victorious, since “its chief weapon” was inadequate and yet no victory is possible “independently of the Party.” It is not, however, the first time that Comrade Trotsky serves us up such strange fare. I must, however, say that Comrade Trotsky, neither did nor could play any special part, that he as chairman of the Petrograd Soviet only carried out the will of the Party authorities in question who supervised everyone of his steps. Despite their differences, Lenin and Trotsky managed to have a working relationship throughout Lenin's lifetime. The revolution was mobilised, which brought about the mobilisation of the counter revolution. Our Party is strong and powerful. This peculiarity consists therein that the revolution attempted to carry out every, or almost every step of its attack under the appearance of defence.  What can Lenin’s Bolshevist theses have in common with the anti-Bolshevist scheme of Comrade Trotsky, with his “playing with the seizure of power”? Trotskyism has three distinguishing features which place it in irreconcilable opposition to Leninism. One of the two main branches of Leninism; developed upon by Leon Trotsky, co-leader of the Russian Revolution and founder of the Red Army. Trotsky Vs. Stalin. But first of all, Comrade Trotsky exaggerates in an outrageous manner, and inflates the whole subject; for the Bolshevist Party has outlived these differences of opinion without being in the least shaken. The “steel ring” round Mamontov (the storming of Mamontov) was an obvious failure. The whole truth as to the lesson is to avoid “running off the rails,” not only in the days of the revolutionary attack, but also in the days of retreat of the revolution, when the enemy has gained the upper hand and the revolution is suffering defeat. It is interesting that Comrade Trotsky did not cling to this difference of opinion and did not exaggerate it to a “monstrous” degree. What are the immediate duties of the Party in connection with the new literary attacks of Comrade Trotsky? The C.C. This is nonsense, comrades. Of course, the same so-called “rights” are meant, the comrades who disturb Trotsky’s sleep. This is all the more necessary because Comrade Trotsky in his eagerness to put himself in a conspicuous place, unintentionally misrepresents Lenin’s attitude towards the last two questions. Thirdly, Trotskyism is a mistrust of the leaders of Bolshevism, an attempt to discredit and dethrone them. This is untrue. The Question of Bolshevism. Is Nancy really just upset that her office was defiled by commoners? That of helping the bourgeoisie to push the Soviets into the background and to lay the foundations of bourgeois parliamentarism. Comrade Trotsky is absolutely in the wrong when he maintains that Lenin under-estimated the legality of the Soviet, that Lenin had not understood the serious significance of the seizure of power by the All-Russian Soviet Congress on October 25th, that just for this reason Lenin had insisted on the seizure of power before October 25th. It was in the summer of 1919. Transcription/Markup: Brian Reid There is no doubt that the open going over of the garrison to the revolutionary military committee and the organisation of the network of Soviet commissioners indicated the beginning of the insurrection; nevertheless these steps were taken under the slogan of the defence of the Petrograd Soviets against possible attacks of the counter-revolution. Source(s): leninism trotskyism marxism: https://tr.im/RqYA7. It also knows however, that Lenin was cautious, did not love intriguing politicians, and not infrequently held back too sharp terrorists, including Trotsky himself, with a firm hand. You know that Koltchak and Denikin were regarded as the chief enemies of the Soviet Republic. Could Comrade Trotsky in such a situation do anything but hide his burden in a cupboard and go to the Bolsheviki, he who, without even the pretence of a serious group behind him, came to the Bolsheviki as a political bankrupt, robbed of his army? Trotskyism is an extreme left-wing political ideology which originated in the split in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in the 1920s between supporters of Joseph Stalin and supporters of Leon Trotsky.Stalin easily defeated Trotsky and forced him into exile, then had him assassinated. He supported founding a vanguard party of the proletariat, proletarian internationalism and a dictatorship of the proletariat based on working class self-emancipation and mass democracy. If one listens to Comrade Trotsky, one is tempted to think that the Bolshevist Party during the whole period of October only did just what turned up, that it was devoured by internal dissensions, and that it hindered Lenin in every possible way and that, had it not been for Comrade Trotsky, no one knows how the revolution might have ended. It is hardly necessary to point out that this original scheme of the Party history is a scheme for the undermining of the unity between the old and the new cadres of our Party, a scheme for the destruction of the active Bolshevist Party. To members of the petty bourgeoisie, such Suchanov, all this may appear strange, but the facts, the actual facts completely confirm my statement. It is indeed somewhat “strange” as Suchanov or Comrade Trotsky’s adherents would say. In this whole period, the C.C. Trotsky identified as an orthodox Marxist and Bolshevik–Leninist. Since Comrade Trotsky ran off the rails in the Brest period, the period of severe trial for our revolution when it was almost a case of yielding up the power, he ought to understand that his pointing out of the mistakes made by Kamenev and Zinoviev in October, is entirely out of place. But will your people agree to it.”, “Some of us are vacillating, but I believe that in the long run they will agree,” answered Natanson. “must have regarded the July episode as a harmful adventure.” Comrade Trotsky, who at that time was not yet a member of the C.C. Trotskyism of all sorts is the forefront of the bourgeois ideology of the denial of communism in the era of the end of imperialism and the victorious communist revolutions. This chiefly explains that passion with which Lenin, in his letters, scourges the adherents of the Preliminary Parliament. Trotsky had made many enemies within the Communist Party. 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Re: Trotskyism vs. Leninism « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2017, 11:42:17 pm » Lenin was concentrated on seizing and holding power, even in one country (so - not according to initial theory of "world proletarian revolution"), he was a brilliant, though absolutely cynical, tactitian after all. Strictly speaking, there is, however, nothing “strange” in it, for Comrade Trotsky a comparatively new man in our Party at the time of October, neither did nor could play a special part, either in the Party or in the October revolution. For Trotskyists it was in the late 1920s, when Trotsky lost the leadership struggle against Stalin. You want to know how the Party decided the question of the supreme war council. This is no simple rumour, comrades. This reorientation was given to the party by Lenin in his famous theses of April. Maoism, then, is treated as a variant of Stalinism and the reasons why it is a Stalinism are pretty simplistic. What we need is a mass workers’ organisation. Trotskyists oppose strongly "Stalinism" and its related ideologies. Marxism is a political thought framed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. In doing so I shall treat Trotskyism as a singular ideology which is quite irreconciliable with Leninism, and speak of the duties of the Party in connection with the recent literary undertakings of Comrade Trotsky. How to Trotskyists seek to influence politics? Five comrades were elected to this committee: Sverdlov, Stalin, Dsherinsky, Bubnov, Uritzky. Trotskyism recognises no unified and indivisible history of our Party. But is it not possible to study the history of October without once more attacking the Party and its leader Lenin? This Marxist system aims at a state of living where the society is bereft of the difference between the rich and the poor. If Comrade Trotsky had not written his “history” of October according to Suchanov’s material, but on the basis of the actual documents, he could easily have convinced himself of the incorrectness of his assertion. is to distort history in a reckless manner. You can sign in to vote the answer. You know that our country only breathed freely after the victory over these enemies. Leninism and Stalinism. In 1927 Trotsky was expelled from the Party, and in 1929 deported from the USSR for anti-Soviet activities. The old Trotskyism made efforts to belittle Lenin more or less openly without fearing the consequences. of October 10th and 16th. We could quote a heap of documents which prove that Lenin proposed the seizure of power by the Soviets, by those of Petrograd or Moscow, and not behind the back of the Soviets. Playing next. But what kind of a “history” of October is this which begins and ends with the dethronement of the chief leader of the October revolution with the dethronmement of the Party which organised and carried out this revolution? The revolution is not exhausted with October. by Tony Clark INTRODUCTION EVER since Lenin died in 1924, Trotskyism has challenged Marxism-Leninism for the ideological leadership of the international communist movement. In view of this it seems difficult to understand how it could happen that the Party escaped a split; how it could happen that, in spite of the differences of opinion, the comrades in question were placed by the Party at the most important posts, were elected to the political central committee of the insurrection, etc. It is surely impossible that we have no stalwart Communists.”. Trotskyism is the political ideology and branch of Marxism developed by Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky. was in this question absolutely unanimous and condemned the attempt of a group of comrades to arrest the “Provisional Government” at the moment when the Bolsheviki were in the minority both in the Soviets and in the army. and of Lenin to the question of the date for the insurrection. Trotsky does not confine himself to this angry remark. October is only the beginning of the proletarian revolution. There are many reasons for the failure of Trotskist groups. The new Trotskyism does not consider it necessary openly to defend the permanent revolution. In post–Revolutionary Russia, Stalinism and Trotskyism were the principal philosophies of Communism that claimed legitimate ideological descent from Leninism; thus, within the Communist Party, each ideological faction denied the political legitimacy of the opposing faction. Comrade Trotsky proposed to stop the attack on the line of Bjalaja river (before Ufa), to leave the Urals in Koltchak’s hands, to remove part of our troops, from the Eastern front and to throw them on to the Southern front. Really the difference is arguing over which path to take to the same spot, which is despotism. Trotskyism, a Marxist ideology based on the theory of permanent revolution first expounded by Leon Trotsky (1879–1940), one of the leading theoreticians of the Russian Bolshevik Party and a leader in the Russian Revolution. (Trotsky: “On Lenin,” p. 106, Russian edition.) 31 and 32 (Russian edition). 5 years ago | 2 views. Firstly. pronounced against the revolt, but that just then a workman forced his way into the committee and said: “You have passed a resolution against the revolt, but I tell you that it will take place in spite of everything.” The C.C. Marxism-Leninism-Maoism puts considerable emphasis on the idea of communism as a science of revolution and, as a science, it must continually transform in order to get better at revolution. Will trump go down as the WORST President of your lifetime? Secondly, how can it be explained in this case that Lenin thought it necessary two days after his return from abroad to draw a line of separation between himself and Trotsky? What was, so to speak, the object of the Preliminary Parliament? What is the sense, the purpose, the aim of these attacks, at present when the Party does not wish to discuss, when the Party is overburdened with a large amount of urgent tasks, at present when the Party needs united work for the restoration of its internal economy and not a new quarrel about old questions? No, it is untrue. It looks as though the C.C. Now, after seven years, Comrade Trotsky shows malicious joy at long passed differences of opinion among the Bolsheviki, by representing these differences of opinion almost as a fight of two Parties within Bolshevism. The facts say that the Russian SDLP split into factions, Lenin of course was a Bolshevik while Trotsky sided with the Mensheviks. That is how Comrade Trotsky writes history. His characterisation however, reveals no giant Lenin, but some kind of a blanquist dwarf, who advises the Party in the October days “to seize power with their own hands independently of the Soviet and behind its back.” I have already said that this characterisation does not contain a word of truth. and calls upon all organisations and all workers and soldiers to support the armed insurrection in every way and with all intensity, and to support the central committee which has been appointed for this purpose by the C.C. Trotskyism is the political ideology of Leon Trotsky and his followers. Thus, after Lenin, there can only be Trotskyism or Stalinism and nothing else. There is no doubt that the formation of the revolutionary military committee was a still more serious step in the attack against the Provisional Government; nevertheless it was carried out under the slogan of the organisation of the Soviet control over the activities of the military staff. Leninism is an indivisible theory, which arose in the year 1903, has experienced three revolutions and now marches … Trotsky wanted a less absolute form or the state than Lenin. 2. But what is Trotskyism’s conception of the “permanent revolution”? It is well-known that Lenin, who wished to concentrate the attention of the Party on the preparations for the insurrection outside the Soviets, warned it against allowing itself to be seduced by the Soviets, as in his opinion, the Soviets which had already been rendered nauseous by the social patriots, had become hopelessly barren. After the debate, a resolution of Comrade Lenin’s as to the revolt is put to the vote. declined Comrade Trotsky’s plan. Whether Leninist concepts represented a contribution to or a corruption of Marxist thought has been debated, but their influence on the subsequent development of communism in the Trotsky wanted a less absolute form or the state than Lenin. There is no doubt that the differences of opinion as to the question of the Preliminary Parliament were of a serious nature. Fundamental facts of this period: (a) The April demonstration in Petrograd and the formation of a Coalition Government with the participation of the “Socialists”; (b) the demonstration on May 1st in the most important centres of Russia with the slogan of the “democratic peace”; (c) the June demonstration in Petrograd with the chief slogan: ”Down with the capitalist ministers”; (d) the June offensive on the front and the failures of the Russian army; (e) the armed July demonstration in Petrograd and the resignation of the ministers of the Cadet party from the government; (f) the bringing up of counter-revolutionary troops from the front, the destruction of the editorial office of the Pravda, the fight for the counter-revolution against the Soviets and the formation of a new coalition government with Kerensky at its head: (g) the Sixth Party Session at which was given the slogan for the preparation of an armed insurrection; (h) the counterrevolutionary imperial council and the general strike in Moscow; (i) the unfortunate attack of Kornilov on Petrograd, the revival of the Soviets, resignation of the cadets and formation of the “directorium.”. plus representatives of the Petrograd committee plus representatives of the military organisation, of the factory committees of the trade unions, of the railwaymen. Communism vs Leninism. As a matter of fact there were four reporters: two for the boycott of the Preliminary Parliament (Trotsky and Stalin) and two for participation (Kamenev and Nogin). No split took place, and the differences of opinion only lasted a few days, and that because Comrades Kamenev and Zinoviev were Leninists, were Bolsheviki. In practice this means the Marxian critique of Capitalism, Historical Materialism, and the concept of class struggle, plus the desire for a socialist society based on state ownership and workers' control, ultimately to a communist society in which the state will be rendered unnecessary. I won't bother. In the second place our Party would be a caste and not a revolutionary Party if it did not admit different shades of opinion in its midst, but it is well-known that there were differences of opinion amongst us also in the past, thus, for instance, in the period of the third Duma, which, however, did not interfere with the unity of our Party. The question of the transference of power to a new class became the question of the day. Trotskyism was to become the primary theoretical target of Stalinism Trotsky argued that the proletariat, upon achieving state power, would "be unable to contain itself" even generally to the historical tasks of the bourgeoisie and thus would inevitably need to press on to socialism upon the achievement of the basics of the democratic revolution, rather than more or less waiting around for another generation or … Trotsky also … This is not the way the history of October is written. only passed two resolutions altogether concerning the insurrection, one on the tenth, and one on the 16th of October. Lenin vs "Leninism" #Left Debates #Leninism and Party Building #Reformism #Russian Revolution #Stalinism #Trotskyism. He stated that each of these stages morphed into the next stage when they were fully mature and through a process he called class struggle. This was the greatest change in the history of Russia and a hitherto unexperienced turn in the history of our Party.
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